Islam demands death for fake virginity importers

A leading Egyptian scholar has demanded that people caught importing a female virginity-faking device into the country should face the death penalty.

Abdul Mouti Bayoumi said supplying the item was akin to spreading vice in society, a crime punishable by death in Islamic Sharia law.

The device is said to release liquid imitating blood, allowing a female to feign virginity on her wedding night.

superfluousloquacity wrote:Islam helped bring a lot of knowledge into the world when the rest of the world was in the dark ages-literally.

KTULU wrote:

superfluousloquacity wrote:Islam helped bring a lot of knowledge into the world when the rest of the world was in the dark ages-literally.

Sure, when it wasn't busy beheading the infidels, killing women for not being virgins on their wedding night, and telling people that there's a man in the sky who will answer your prayers and take you to paradise when you die. Unless you break a couple rules. Then you burn in a lake of fire. Forever. Because Allah loves you.

But Islam is just a ripoff of Christianity and Judaism, anyway. So I guess I should blame Abraham.

superfluousloquacity wrote:

^^look familiar^^

KTULU wrote:

superfluousloquacity wrote:

^^look familiar^^

Yes, like I said, Islam is a ripoff of previously established religions.

And it's absurdities like that which made me an atheist.

KTULU wrote:He's a good man. I wish avatars were more limited in size, though. Mine is about as big as necessary.

KTULU wrote:

superfluousloquacity wrote:

^^look familiar^^

Yes, like I said, Islam is a ripoff of previously established religions.

And it's absurdities like that which made me an atheist.

One Angry Black Man wrote:

KTULU wrote:

superfluousloquacity wrote:

^^look familiar^^

Yes, like I said, Islam is a ripoff of previously established religions.

And it's absurdities like that which made me an atheist.

Islam makes the most sense out of the three major religions. What people do with the religion is a different story.

One Angry Black Man wrote:
Islam makes the most sense out of the three major religions. What people do with the religion is a different story.

KTULU wrote:
Two things.

First, what people do with the religion IS the religion. Understand? If Muhammad rolls around Arabia killing folks if they don't join his new order, that's Islam. And that's what happened, by the way.

If Muslims today say that it's against Islamic law to use a fake virginity device, that's Islam. Neither you nor I get to decide what is and isn't Islam. Nobody has the right to say "These are the limits of this religion." Anybody who wants to can create a brand new interpretation of the shit and declare it Islam and they will be no more incorrect than Muhammad himself.

Stop putting the cape on for a barbaric backwards tradition that deserves no respect in this modern world.

Second, Islam makes only as much sense as Judaism. It's almost exactly identical, in fact. It just adds Arab supremacism in place of Hebrew supremacism.

One Angry Black Man wrote:

Not true at all. They have rules to their shit and they even wrote them a manual.

As the legend goes, Islam was built on Judaism because the truth was handed to the jews and they fucked it up so God decided to reload, remix it and try again.

KTULU wrote:

One Angry Black Man wrote:

Not true at all. They have rules to their shit and they even wrote them a manual.

Your missing my point completely. Yes, they wrote them a manual. That does not mean the authors of that manual are the only people on Earth allowed to determine what is and what isn't Islam. When they started out, they were called heretics. They established themselves through violence.

On top of that, what do you think that manual says about women not being virgins on their wedding night? Take a guess. Take a wild fucking guess. These "fanatics" in Egypt are actually just following established Islamic law. These are not rogue zealots. These are regular Muslims.

As the legend goes, Islam was built on Judaism because the truth was handed to the jews and they fucked it up so God decided to reload, remix it and try again.

Why would an omniscient and omnipotent god have to try anything again? It's bullshit from the ground up. Have an open mind to reason, not superstition.

superfluousloquacity wrote:
I border on atheism and agnosticim so I am fully aware that you are firmly concreted in your beliefs so there is no way we can shake you of that plus logically and using reason, no intelligent person can argue against atheism so I'm done trying. lol

KTULU wrote:

superfluousloquacity wrote:
I border on atheism and agnosticim so I am fully aware that you are firmly concreted in your beliefs so there is no way we can shake you of that plus logically and using reason, no intelligent person can argue against atheism so I'm done trying. lol

You are making some really misinformed assumptions about me, atheism, and agnosticism, my bro.


First off, I am not concrete in my shit. You can change my mind with good reasoning. The fact that very few people on the IC were ever able to do so is a testament to the soundness of my arguments, not the power of my obstinance. People have changed my mind about plenty of things regarding philosophy.

Second, you seem like one of the millions who have no idea what the words atheism and agnosticism actually mean.

Atheism DOES NOT mean that I am claiming I KNOW there is no god. It means I am claiming I have no reason to think that there is a god, so I do not believe in one. Again, I am not claiming knowledge. I am taking a position (god doesnt exist) but I am not doing so out of some kind of atheistic dogma. Instead, it is a conclusion I've arrived at through reasoning, and like any decent conclusion, I am willing to change it if given new information.

Agnosticism is the most abused word in theology. People who claim to be agnostics seem to me to be saying that they do not believe in God, but they are unwilling to say that outright for a variety of reasons.

Agnosticism is a position on KNOWLEDGE, not theology. Agnostic means you don't know whether knowledge is actually possible. It's confusing language, perhaps, but that's how that word is supposed to actually work. On the other hand, a gnostic person is one who claims that knowledge is possible.

When this is applied to the discussion of God, everybody on Earth is agnostic, because nobody really knows whether or not we can know if a god exists. Those who claim this knowledge never have anything to back it up, and that's why they're bullshitters.






So you and I are both agnostic atheists, because neither of us believe in God, but neither of us know whether it is truly possible to know that gods don't exist.

Every believer is an agnostic believer, because although they believe in God, they do not know whether it is possible to have true knowledge of that god's existence.

KTULU wrote:Okay, well, thanks for the detailed response.