**Spin-off*** Rank the elements of MCing based on importance....

WavinGunz@Nunz wrote:1. originality
2. content
3. lyrics
4. flow
5. mic presence/ delivery

rep4qc wrote:*fixed
1. Content
2. Quality/Quantity
3. Delivery
4. Mic Presence
5. Flow
6. Lyrical Ability

StoneCold (F.P.C.) wrote:imo...


mic presence/charisma is 1- you gotta be able to feel the emotion in the music


flow is 2- id also say flow=delivery so theyre both 2...you cant be all over the place on the beat (ie E-40, i cant stand him)

content is 3- and also a reason why i cant stand alot of rappers that alot of yall like (jay-z, gucci, oj da juiceman) i have to be able to somewhat relate to it or it has to be funny


lyrical ability is 4- you dont have to use a bunch of big words to get your message across so i dont value this as much (i have 2pac as my GOAT) but things like multi's do come into play


quality/quantity is 5- i dont think u have to put out a whole bunch of music, if ur good ur good, and sometimes puttin out too much may work against you (wayne)- i mean u have to put out quality, but alot of people have guys in their top 5 that have put out some garbage too

StoneCold (F.P.C.) wrote:

rep4qc wrote:*fixed
1. Content
2. Quality/Quantity
3. Delivery
4. Mic Presence
5. Flow
6. Lyrical Ability

WhatIsReallyReal? wrote:

StoneCold (F.P.C.) wrote:imo...


mic presence/charisma is 1- you gotta be able to feel the emotion in the music


flow is 2- id also say flow=delivery so theyre both 2...you cant be all over the place on the beat (ie E-40, i cant stand him)

content is 3- and also a reason why i cant stand alot of rappers that alot of yall like (jay-z, gucci, oj da juiceman) i have to be able to somewhat relate to it or it has to be funny


lyrical ability is 4- you dont have to use a bunch of big words to get your message across so i dont value this as much (i have 2pac as my GOAT) but things like multi's do come into play


quality/quantity is 5- i dont think u have to put out a whole bunch of music, if ur good ur good, and sometimes puttin out too much may work against you (wayne)- i mean u have to put out quality, but alot of people have guys in their top 5 that have put out some garbage too

good post...


one thing i'd say though, in this is just a side note kinda....and maybe worth of its own thread....but I put "lyrics" as a category because its the most general term, and things like multis, wordplay, metaphors, etc are like sub-categories of lyrics.....

also, is flow and delivery the same? idk.....what other people think....i think of flow as how you ride the beat and delivery as how you deliver your lyrics and your flow....i.e. sound of your voice....so like with Eminem, he can use the same flow on a song, but switch up his delivery with the various accents everyone loves so much.....

StoneCold (F.P.C.) wrote:

WhatIsReallyReal? wrote:

StoneCold (F.P.C.) wrote:imo...


mic presence/charisma is 1- you gotta be able to feel the emotion in the music


flow is 2- id also say flow=delivery so theyre both 2...you cant be all over the place on the beat (ie E-40, i cant stand him)

content is 3- and also a reason why i cant stand alot of rappers that alot of yall like (jay-z, gucci, oj da juiceman) i have to be able to somewhat relate to it or it has to be funny


lyrical ability is 4- you dont have to use a bunch of big words to get your message across so i dont value this as much (i have 2pac as my GOAT) but things like multi's do come into play


quality/quantity is 5- i dont think u have to put out a whole bunch of music, if ur good ur good, and sometimes puttin out too much may work against you (wayne)- i mean u have to put out quality, but alot of people have guys in their top 5 that have put out some garbage too

good post...


one thing i'd say though, in this is just a side note kinda....and maybe worth of its own thread....but I put "lyrics" as a category because its the most general term, and things like multis, wordplay, metaphors, etc are like sub-categories of lyrics.....

also, is flow and delivery the same? idk.....what other people think....i think of flow as how you ride the beat and delivery as how you deliver your lyrics and your flow....i.e. sound of your voice....so like with Eminem, he can use the same flow on a song, but switch up his delivery with the various accents everyone loves so much.....

aight i didnt think of it like that...so then flow would = mic presence in essence?

WavinGunz@Nunz wrote:1. originality
2. lyrics
3. content
4. flow - as long as it's smooth
5. mic presence/ delivery - just dont stutter or anything

WhatIsReallyReal? wrote:

StoneCold (F.P.C.) wrote:

WhatIsReallyReal? wrote:

StoneCold (F.P.C.) wrote:imo...


mic presence/charisma is 1- you gotta be able to feel the emotion in the music


flow is 2- id also say flow=delivery so theyre both 2...you cant be all over the place on the beat (ie E-40, i cant stand him)

content is 3- and also a reason why i cant stand alot of rappers that alot of yall like (jay-z, gucci, oj da juiceman) i have to be able to somewhat relate to it or it has to be funny


lyrical ability is 4- you dont have to use a bunch of big words to get your message across so i dont value this as much (i have 2pac as my GOAT) but things like multi's do come into play


quality/quantity is 5- i dont think u have to put out a whole bunch of music, if ur good ur good, and sometimes puttin out too much may work against you (wayne)- i mean u have to put out quality, but alot of people have guys in their top 5 that have put out some garbage too

good post...


one thing i'd say though, in this is just a side note kinda....and maybe worth of its own thread....but I put "lyrics" as a category because its the most general term, and things like multis, wordplay, metaphors, etc are like sub-categories of lyrics.....

also, is flow and delivery the same? idk.....what other people think....i think of flow as how you ride the beat and delivery as how you deliver your lyrics and your flow....i.e. sound of your voice....so like with Eminem, he can use the same flow on a song, but switch up his delivery with the various accents everyone loves so much.....

aight i didnt think of it like that...so then flow would = mic presence in essence?

good question....mic presence is tough to pin down i think....its like an accumulation of things....for instance I think Mic presence can include flow and delivery, but it can also encapsulate other things, like when an artist talks on a record.....Like Pac....he talked on his tracks alot, such as that one drunken freestyle he did, and hit em up, and Krazy...he wasn't even rhyming but he was still adressing the audience or the topic he was discussing, which can make an MC more appealing or accessible....T.I. does this, too, to an extent......Another example of talking on record constituting mic presence imo, would be Kanye on Last Call....where he talks on the track for like 8 minutes and reveals personal experiences, etc......

WhatIsReallyReal? wrote:I wonder if "a unique perspective" wouldn't be a better way of describing originality....idk



i think "perspective" is something that is really important but hardly anyone talks about it....the way a person sees the world, or sees themselves, or sees themselves relative to people and world around them, is what is really at the root of terms like "originality" and "content"......at least for the great MCs

WhatIsReallyReal? wrote:Yeah, this has been done before, but not here i don't think. Plus, its something that has come up in other threads the past few days, and I know that it "depends," but everything "depends," so try to be specific somewhat...Your ranking can be based off of "commercial appeal/success" or "underground respect" or a combination of the two....either way....state what is guiding your selection...


The elements, in no order (feel free to add on if i missed something):


1. Flow
2. Mic presence/charisma
3. Delivery (maybe a combination of 1 and 2, maybe not...)
4. Content
5. Lyrical ability
6. Quality/Quantity (this could be its own thread perhaps, but I also think its important when ranking an MC as well as how "good" an MC is perceived as being...people have a short memory sometimes...I'm looking at you Rakim)

WhatIsReallyReal? wrote:Yeah, this has been done before, but not here i don't think. Plus, its something that has come up in other threads the past few days, and I know that it "depends," but everything "depends," so try to be specific somewhat...Your ranking can be based off of "commercial appeal/success" or "underground respect" or a combination of the two....either way....state what is guiding your selection...


The elements, in no order (feel free to add on if i missed something):


1. Flow
2. Mic presence/charisma
3. Delivery (maybe a combination of 1 and 2, maybe not...)
4. Content
5. Lyrical ability
6. Quality/Quantity (this could be its own thread perhaps, but I also think its important when ranking an MC as well as how "good" an MC is perceived as being...people have a short memory sometimes...I'm looking at you Rakim)

StoneCold (F.P.C.) wrote:imo...


mic presence/charisma is 1- you gotta be able to feel the emotion in the music


flow is 2- id also say flow=delivery so theyre both 2...you cant be all over the place on the beat (ie E-40, i cant stand him)

content is 3- and also a reason why i cant stand alot of rappers that alot of yall like (jay-z, gucci, oj da juiceman) i have to be able to somewhat relate to it or it has to be funny


lyrical ability is 4- you dont have to use a bunch of big words to get your message across so i dont value this as much (i have 2pac as my GOAT) but things like multi's do come into play


quality/quantity is 5- i dont think u have to put out a whole bunch of music, if ur good ur good, and sometimes puttin out too much may work against you (wayne)- i mean u have to put out quality, but alot of people have guys in their top 5 that have put out some garbage too

WhatIsReallyReal? wrote:

WhatIsReallyReal? wrote:I wonder if "a unique perspective" wouldn't be a better way of describing originality....idk



i think "perspective" is something that is really important but hardly anyone talks about it....the way a person sees the world, or sees themselves, or sees themselves relative to people and world around them, is what is really at the root of terms like "originality" and "content"......at least for the great MCs

cutthroat what think about this^^^^^^^^^

*locksmith* wrote:

WhatIsReallyReal? wrote:Yeah, this has been done before, but not here i don't think. Plus, its something that has come up in other threads the past few days, and I know that it "depends," but everything "depends," so try to be specific somewhat...Your ranking can be based off of "commercial appeal/success" or "underground respect" or a combination of the two....either way....state what is guiding your selection...


The elements, in no order (feel free to add on if i missed something):


1. Flow
2. Mic presence/charisma
3. Delivery (maybe a combination of 1 and 2, maybe not...)
4. Content
5. Lyrical ability
6. Quality/Quantity (this could be its own thread perhaps, but I also think its important when ranking an MC as well as how "good" an MC is perceived as being...people have a short memory sometimes...I'm looking at you Rakim)

When you mean mic presence , do you mean emotion and persona ?

WhatIsReallyReal? wrote:

*locksmith* wrote:

WhatIsReallyReal? wrote:Yeah, this has been done before, but not here i don't think. Plus, its something that has come up in other threads the past few days, and I know that it "depends," but everything "depends," so try to be specific somewhat...Your ranking can be based off of "commercial appeal/success" or "underground respect" or a combination of the two....either way....state what is guiding your selection...


The elements, in no order (feel free to add on if i missed something):


1. Flow
2. Mic presence/charisma
3. Delivery (maybe a combination of 1 and 2, maybe not...)
4. Content
5. Lyrical ability
6. Quality/Quantity (this could be its own thread perhaps, but I also think its important when ranking an MC as well as how "good" an MC is perceived as being...people have a short memory sometimes...I'm looking at you Rakim)

When you mean mic presence , do you mean emotion and persona ?

i kinda already described what i meant by that in one of my earlier posts....best way i could describe it would be someone who, for whatever reason, makes you want to keep listening to their music....i know that is very vague, but it's intentionally vague because mic presence could be a combination of various things.....idk....i might be talking out of my ass here, but certain artists have a way of engaging with the listener one way or another.....that's what i mean....plus, kinda like live shows.....stage presence.....some performers just perform their music at shows, while other performers have a stronger stage presence....its kinda that "it" factor people throw around....